I think there can be a fine line in how far you can push the creative boundry. At one point a lot of photographers were trying to make the images political to ad that extra edge, and i think somewhere along the line we lost the whole idea of fashion photography. To me its about beautiful, intriguing models showing off the clothes, making the images such that it does show off the beauty in the models, and i think a some point we lost sight of that and just showed a blurred corner of a shoe on the end of what could be my mums foot.

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Oh Chris (Sebastion), I had such high hopes for your message too. I thought we were going to get into an interesting discussion about why style photography has become so corporate and generic...and then half way down, your posting turns out to be a plug for your own site and a plea for more books on surfers! Shame on you! Stay on target: it was just getting exciting.

isn't this related to the earlier rant/post no.650? perhaps the problem is that the only people who are able to participate are the ones who can actually afford it.

"I don't understand why, in London especially there aren't more outlets for young creativity." http://showstudio.com/forum/topic.php/650

Yes Sorry for the plug, Aas a creative person with a pashion for image making, infact it is my life. I find that I am living below the poverty line in order to try and achive my goal in life. It is a shame that we are in a country that makes it very hard to get established within the creative field, yes a lot of art shocks, but who are the people who are making the most money in art? not the people who conform. Also it still seems that a lot odf the creaive areas are closed or a lot more dificalt to get in to unles you live in london.. Going back to the magazines, creativly,the Face changed the direction of creative photography and grafic art and possibly invented pop art, Dazed and CONFUSED with the founder Mr Rankin was also a breath of fresh air, using the models as part of the artform as well as the clothes, I do not see why we should not look at the whole consept as an art form instead of going back to borring snapy image making that is non inspirational. Clothes sell when an image stays in the head, a bit like a catchy tune. Thanks for the coments and lets try and be possitive in our views, anyone can be bitchy when attacking the views of others but what the point. I try and be constructive with my views. Sorry again if you thought that I was plugging my self, I am based in Devon and am fininding it very hard to get established, but will, I have put to much time and effort in to what I am trying to achive to fail , Going back to the surf pictures, a few years ago I had an exhibition at the Wharf Arts galleery in Tavisock with Barry Lategon, David Baily was showing people areound my work. I told baily that the South West was vibrent and exiting, a few weeks later I met him on a beach doing a shoot for Italia Vogue

Sorry about the errors in the last report, the computer was timing me out at the Library and I did not have time to edit before saving it.
This site is a great showcase to fashion photographers, I would like to see more of Jergan Tellers pictures in a showcase, as well as Rankin.lets see a gallery on some of todays great fashion photographers, fashion models and graffic artists. On another plain I am suprised that a book has not been produced on the best C.K. Adverts yet, it would form part of a great record of the comany which revalutionised fashion culture image making

oh dear aunty pennys been picking on sebastien(chris)i think the problem with fashion is- it has the attention span of a fly-to make a permanent record of your surfer freinds sounds like a good thing.www.cshawcuk.co.uk

My two cents - Personally, I don't feel that Fashion Photography has lost it's creative edge - it has just become much more difficult to spot it. There are now so many magazines and other outlets for fashion photographers that my point may seem contradictory - but the genuine creatives are getting lost under the mass of images that are published each month. It is easy to say that cream floats, but so does crap - and this is what the new breed of creative fashion photographer has to contend with. I read an article the other week stating that in the UK alone, more than 20,000 kids are studying photography - add to that all the assistants, self-taughts and already established photographers and you are beginning to understand the problem - and that is just the UK.
One thing that this does breed is healthy competition - OK, the industry definitely revolves around who you know above what you know, but there is a line that the fashion and photo editors must draw where they can not turn away true creative talent in favour of work produced by their pals - the mag would sink without a trace like so many of the other so-called iconic publications. My point? Persistence. You will get knock-backs every day from mag editors - it is part of the job. Broaden your horizons, don't allow youself to think that the magazine world starts and ends in Plymouth (Sebastion) - the internet has significantly shrunk the globe - and for every UK mag there is an equivalent mag in every country on the planet - contact them.
Off to sack my therapist - this rant has been most satisfactory.

Thanks Martinb, I agree totaly with what you are saying, indeed I had come to the same conclussions a long time ago, as far as magazines in London are conserned you do not need to go to art college in some cases to learn the craft of photography, just the ability of pressing the shutter, and right having so many students across the world specialising in lens based media forms an ironing out process and encorages people to push the bundaries of creativity or get lost in the croud. I am not sure that the most creative of image makers are getting lost though as the magazines that reprasented them seem to be the ones that are getting lost, the magazines that initialy pushed the bundaries of expression in lens based media. We are going through a major cultural and media revalution at every level, over the laast 3 to 4 years the world has changed with the new power of comunication via the net, in the process as in television the standards seems to have come all the way down. Maby it is time, if finacialy sustainable for a new consept magazine to look at art fashion and issues in lifestyle of today, or the ones that set the boundaries to find there roots again.I dont know about you but I can not even be bothered to pick up a copy of one of the new Laddy weekly magazines to look at, Boring tack . And yes my world is well beyond Plymouth and I think international, as I realised a long time ago that you have to think global not local. Hope you are enjoying the therapy, Sebastion

>>Going back to the magazines, creativly,the Face changed the direction of creative photography and grafic art and possibly invented pop art