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I'm surprised this subject hasn't come up before in these forums. Might be kind of dry and scholarly, but...

I was curious what people thought about this subject- namely, the fashion world's insistence on only using very young and very thin models?

Is it to forever market an ideal of beauty through the consumption of clothes and other products, even though the vast majority of people can never attain it, like a dangling carrot that's forever out of reach? thus keeping the fashion machine forever moving?

Is it because the bodies of more curvaceous women will distract from the clothes themselves?

Is it simply because they know the public really does find this type of model the most beautiful, and the fashion world is simply giving the consumer what they want?

Is it a strict elitism that is necessary to maintain an image of glamour?

I've also heard the idea that it's a misogynist, quasi-fascist standard forced on women merely for cruelty and suppression, usually with the unspoken implication that gay, male fashion designers have some kind of inherent hatred of women. I find this theory the least credible but I've met a few women that are ADAMANT this is the case.

What do all of you think? Seems when the topic of body image comes up people EXPLODE with raging opinions, so this could start a heated discussion?
(I won't be around for a week to see, I'm going to try a media fast for a week - no internet, ipod, books, tv, magazines...nothing. I really do think we're in an age of information overload and I want to see what will happen to my brain)

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st. valentine
st. valentine
United States

mostly i'm curious about what happens to 'your brain' (try 'your soul') without media- please let us know-

but about fashion body image- from the point of view of someone who fits it (young, underweight, nice bones)

obviously it sucks not to be thin and attractive. at the same time, anyone who doesn't fit the ideal, yet gets so caught up in it as to become unhappy, is obviously insecure and off-balance. the point of ideals is that MOST people don't fit them, and, even without being tall/thin/fine-boned, there are ways to be beautiful

and that's where the real femininity comes in- the art of becoming beautiful through individuality, rather than relying on your face.

the real reason the fashion ideal is freakishly tall and dangerously thin is that a large number of designers are gay, and gay men like boys. naturally, even when designing for women, they pick the bodies closest to what they like. it follows that the fashion ideal is a masculinized body, with wide shoulders, no hips, lines instead of curves, and totally useless from the point of view of reproducing (hips that narrow aren't good for popping out babies). models are lovely anomalies.
[not to be sexist, men are designed for heavy lifting]

but fashion likes the ideal.
i like the ideal.
and i don't design for curvy women; once, one of my models couldn't fit into a dress i had made (child-bearing hips). i was awfully tempted to fire her, but because she was my best friend i added fabric.

the coat-hanger bodytype is also easiest to sew for because of the way things hang off the shoulders, you don't need to take the hips into account.

such are my thoughts...

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Hello Landon, interesting thread. Like st valentine, I'm curious about how you're going to acheive this media fast - how you can do it other than by shutting yourself away in a blank space I can't imagine.

Anyway, re: emaciated youth. It is very much an issue, but it's one that image makers etc have been able to play with, which is how people like Galliano, Nick Knight et al have been able to push it by using models that don't fit the skinny adolescent fashion 'norm', no? That this latter has sort of become a rule to bend or break, is an absolute gift for people seeking to innovate, distinguish themselves, and stimulate debate. I love your suggestion that possibly "the bodies of more curvaceous women will distract from the clothes themselves?" though! Shame st valentine's response kind of negates this though.

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I'm ashamed to report I never made it past the first day.

I forgot I'd already agreed to go to a concert (is that 'media'?) and see a film this week, plus it was my brother's birthday yesterday, so not playing some videogames with him would've been really rude.

It's way, way harder then it sounds. The crushing boredom of being stuck in the prison of your mind with no outside stimulation is unbearable, even for a couple hours - so I just thought 'screw it'.

I do want to try it again sometime, just not now. I guess I'm expecting to achieve some kind of zen-like clarity...? I don't know.

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i have recently face by the same thread in a handbag forum...
there's some women said that they boycott wearing handbags from clothing line that don't design for size 12+
my opinion in this thing is, i really don't care :p
i guess every designer wants their designs looks great and it's their choice to pick the "media" that represents the artwork...
i'm also skinny and have boyish figure with no ass, and i found ordinary brand clothes sometimes too big and don't flatter my body. and i can't complain.

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st. valentine
st. valentine
United States

like didi, i often find the smallest size available is too big for me- which makes being able to take things in even more valuable.

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Ben Morris
United Kingdom
In reply to st. valentine:

Perhaps you could try shopping in childrens departments, for instance Gap Kids?

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st. valentine
st. valentine
United States

what, and wear shirts that say 'gap athletics'? thx ben. ;) tho it would sort of cute to wear, say, a boy's spiderman tee, or something similar.

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