Sorry I did not want to go down this one again, but felt that I needed to follow Flux and her honest staments and the slightly innocent aproach by Ben.
As a gay person in this Country I here stories like the ones by flux and see cover ups and double standards by the powers that be all the time.

Homophobia seeps across new EU

http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,,1729028,00.html

I'm sorry but you truly are both idiots.

Do you see that 'as a gay person' Sebastion? Thats interesting. Oh, actually it's not, none of this is. As important as these 'big issues' are, I don't think they are relevant here.

Maybe I'm just being 'Knieve', I don't know. And Flux, I'm not suggesting you aren't interesting but are you a Human Google? Anything anybody refers to you come up with a link within a few seconds and post it underneath. You are a goon.

Bye.

sebastion, to back up what you believe in and to provide more persuasive argumentation to support your beliefs, it might be an idea to actually give examples of how individuals/creatives' rights have been infringed on. Maybe the reason some people are getting pissed off with you is because you talk vaguely and hyperbolically about freedom and tyranny, without actually presenting or examining any hard facts. People immediately become suspicious of those who make a lot of noise about issues that they can't really seem to explain to any great detail. What indeed is the difference between you pontificating endlessly on your stock idea of 'the powers that be' and the government's former relentless harping on 'weapons of mass destruction'?

F:lux provided a newsclipping, which at least backed up some of what you were saying - so if you want to open people's eyes or show them that what you are concerned about is relevant to their lives (e.g. the creative industry) why not do some research and document something that they cannot help but find interesting? Being constantly bombarded with your wooly and over-sentimental activist speak doesn't wash with today's cynics. We have a government for that already, remember? Maybe start thinking about refining what you have to say and how you want to say it - if you want to make a change, then it is vitally important that you learn how to do this, Sebastion. Sorry - I know this is patronising and might make me look a total c**t but I just feel that you are passionate about these ideas and the way you put them across is wasted on people. The sooner you can engage them, the better for you. And that is not to say that you don't bring in a lot of good threads anyway - some of them have shown the greatest longevity in this forum

sebastion, to back up what you believe in and to provide more persuasive argumentation to support your beliefs, it might be an idea to actually give examples of how individuals/creatives' rights have been infringed on. Maybe the reason some people are getting pissed off with you is because you talk vaguely and hyperbolically about freedom and tyranny, without actually presenting or examining any hard facts. People immediately become suspicious of those who make a lot of noise about issues that they can't really seem to explain to any great detail. What indeed is the difference between you pontificating endlessly on your stock idea of 'the powers that be' and the government's former relentless harping on 'weapons of mass destruction'?

F:lux provided a newsclipping, which at least backed up some of what you were saying - so if you want to open people's eyes or show them that what you are concerned about is relevant to their lives (e.g. the creative industry) why not do some research and document something that they cannot help but find interesting? Being constantly bombarded with your wooly and over-sentimental activist speak doesn't wash with today's cynics. We have a government for that already, remember? Maybe start thinking about refining what you have to say and how you want to say it - if you want to make a change, then it is vitally important that you learn how to do this, Sebastion. Sorry - I know this is patronising and might make me look a total c**t but I just feel that you are passionate about these ideas and the way you put them across is wasted on people. The sooner you can engage them, the better for you. And that is not to say that you don't bring in a lot of good threads anyway - some of them have shown the greatest longevity in this forum

there's nuthin wrong with a bit of homophobia - it keeps you on your toes and means you can blag jobs easier if you're queer.

detlev has a good point there. I agree.

Otherwise, is using butt cheeks as blinkers really as fashionable in parts of London and elsewhere as we are here being lead to believe?

as a gay person i find homophobia can also be quite a useful tool. whenever i encounter homophobic people, i relish the opportunity to piss them off and provoke them - (okay maybe not around a bunch of skinheads in Leipzig) and I think it is a reliable way of separating the wheat from the chaff. People who are homophobic are almost always stupid so you know not to waste your time cultivating anything with them. Lets face it, you're never going to like everyone you meet in life, so at least this helps you narrow it down a bit.

I would explain the situation propperly but I dont think that this is the place to do it, and the fact is that others here come up with the informnation that backs me up in any case,and you will see what I have said, vaguley is happening.
So I guess that we do not have a date then Detley,

the salient fact about sebastien & co adding to the climate of fear through this very thread needs pointing out,it is scaremongering.
howether individual rights need to be fought for in the uk,otherwise you will have a situation like france were the state is in everybodys buisness,actually british people enjoy a huge personal freedom compared to the french its much more conformist here and against small buisness...i say this on a weekend when students occupied the sorbonne overnight....sarky is the new thatcher here,and they need him...less government is whats needed in both countries.
as for the buisness being homophobic -the fashion and arts are run by women and gaymen its like saying white men are the fastest runners- its just not true.but maybe the whole things sebastian with arrows...an aesthetic icon of victimhood.