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Karl Fuler
Karl Fuler
United Kingdom

Hello Penny.
I was wondering whether you saw a difference in quality between the different fashion groups.
For example, What is the difference between middle class, more educated fashion, Pete Doherty style with trilbys etc. and the working class types with certain sportswear brands, terriers etc.? To me, I am seeing these people following their own fashions in the same way - influenced and aspirational in the same way. Is that how you see it?

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Penny Martin
Penny Martin
United Kingdom

I'm not ignoring you Karl, I've got the flu and am just not feeling 100% so my mental powers aren't quite tip top.

Uh, first off, though, I'd probably say (and I'm not quite sure why you're asking me more than anyone else about this) that for me, they are completely different. I wouldn't say that in appropriating the appearance of what was originally a working-class style culture, the mock-ska, Dalstonites (who, as you say are largely middle-class, educated people) are aspiring for the same things or looking to express the same things as what you call 'working class types'. By that, I assume you mean an authentic working-class style culture, whatever that is in the current economic climate.

The former is a styling excercise that feels temporary and insincere. Pastiche, really. I would be hesitant to say the same of the latter. I don't see that they 'follow their own fashions in the same way', no. But I'm not looking to judge the 'quality' of them either. I can't see what purpose it serves to put one above the other.

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Chris Summerfield
Chris Summerfield
United Kingdom
In reply to Penny Martin:

Get well soon Penny.Ah Chooooo

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Karl Fuler
Karl Fuler
United Kingdom
In reply to Penny Martin:

Hello Penny.
Thanks very much for your answer and I'm sorry to hear you have flu.
I asked you the question because you are the only fashion academic I know of, I think.
In my question the matter of class was not really meant to be an issue, in that I was just trying to find two, clearly separate fashion styles - it is more the (if any)intellectual content that differentiates between the two styles that I'm interested in.
You think that these styles are completely different and those following them have different aspirations, but I believe these differences might only be very superficial in terms of the actual functions of these styles. But isn't a style superficial anyway?? Well that's a can of worms to me. Hence my question to you.

Those of a certain outlook and situation follow the Pete Doherty Ska fashion (which evolves with time of course, but will stay relevent) as others follow the sportswear/diamonte earing/terrier fashion (which also evolves but maybe not so obviously). These people are all emulating who they see as their contemporaries in the same way, maybe bringing a little bit of their personalities to their own look. It appears to me that this is the true meaning of fashion, as 'style' is only a personal quality.

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joanne K
joanne K
United Kingdom
In reply to Karl Fuler:

I think it's more fluid than that; everything seems to come full circle again regardless of which class level it 'started' out in. New trends emerging on the street are assimilated into high-fashion (the preserve of the upper-middle and upper classes mainly) which then begins to trickle down again; ready to wear collections are copied by the high street and so on...

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Karl Fuler
Karl Fuler
United Kingdom
In reply to joanne K:

I agree, it is more fluid - and more complicated, with so many different influences we could never keep track of.

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