...whatever nan xx

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/3651677.html

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F:lux I guess that article seems to be "art about fashion". it isnt about the design of the fashion, but the context and the way it's exhibition makes people think.

Having said that the debate about what constitutes art is in itself complex and involved, as i posted previously, i feel art can be anything, including fashion.

To argue that 'fashion' should be excluded from art seems a strange notion to me indeed.

Yikes! Just noticed the header is about becoming a stylist!

Hum ... in the US most stylists -at least the established (read old) ones- didnt even attended school to become one ... what a stylist needs is TASTE and you dont "acquire" it ... to me is innate ... what you have to do is go for thankless internship jobs and work your way up .. A LOT of PR is required for this type of career, as any fashion career, connections ARE EVERYTHING ... break a leg!

Hello Ethan and sorry, I was in a bit of a hurry - thought I'd post the link to an article about the 'Prada, Texas' thing before I forgot, didn't have time to also comment. But then, other than the fact that the above work seems timely to this debate, I'm not sure I know what to make of it. It's an interesting crossover point, because it's Art about fashion? Or consumerism out of context? I don't know.

Maybe it's hard to define whether style/fashion is Art or not because even haute couture is ultimately about product? Example. I doubt anybody could deny that someone like Philippe Stark is highly creative, but is he also an artist? Actually, I've just done a search on him to check I'd spelt his name right and discovered he does shoes etc. How did I forget about the panty garment? Oops, perhaps not a good example then! I'm not exactly surprised but now really confused...

As you were then.

Hi F:lux,

I liked the article though, so thank you for bringing my attention to it...i think its about Art (with a capital A) rather than fashion.

"Maybe it's hard to define whether style/fashion is Art or not because even haute couture is ultimately about product?"

what is it about art that isnt ONLY about product? is it because when you see something presented as Art, it suggests something noble about concept? so perhaps the conceptual aspect of fashion can be art, even if the physical 'artefacts' have a tenuous relationship with art?

I think my confusion comes from the fact that the word 'fashion' covers a lot of ground, but then I suppose 'art' does too. Fashion and art, or Art, noble/ignoble, object/concept - the problem is, the less specific we are the easier it seems to draw parallels between the two, and the more difficult it is to grasp?

Say art can be seen as a reflection of or tangential commentary on the societies we live in, and there's room to consider that some aspects of fashion have a place within that definition and as well as a more practical part to play?

Yes F:Lux I agree.

perhaps the confusion discussion is also about what we mean by 'fashion' and its creation.

'fashion' in one sense can be concieved of as art (the creation of a piece or collection follows 'artistic methods / values / ideals' as you suggest) this would be the only place where art meets fashion? the rest is 'clothing'?

... but fashion whether it follows those rules of art or not can be presented as art (as in your Prada article or perhaps as a 'readymade' or in a retrospective at the V&A)

..... or understood as art, from the most commodified piece, or creative piece. deconstructed and re-placed in it's social context subsequent to its creation. It comments on its societal environment even if unintentionaly.

Anyway we could have this discussion about anything, because anything can be art.

Working with 'readymade' - is that what the best styling is then?

As for 'Prada, Texas', I expect it has to be more fun if you drive by and see it unexpectedly, rather than reading about it in the news. But already I'm wondering how long it'll be before someone like Banksy pays it a visit.

I was wondering about the statement on clothing, What would Jean Paul Gaultier , Vivian, Westward,Stella Macartney, Alister Mcqueen have to say about material being art.
(Not an argument just a thought).