i know for a fact that hamburger eyes photographers (at least the core crew) are actually film photographers and most of them also do their own printing
the group was included in bay area now 4 this year at yerba buena art center in san francisco and they covered the walls with prints
another photographer i adore is dave schubert but he's hard to find stuff online.... the guys at fecal face have some of his images i think : http://www.fecalface.com
but all that aside, i know what you mean about the "new" aesthetic, i'm not sure if you were typing commentary or contemporary or maybe that's a new word that means both of them at the same, which makes sense too....
i took a good friend of mine, a "traditional" photographer to the hamburger eyes release party 008 at 111 minna gallery in sf and it was floor to ceiling images all framed all sizes, in your face everywhere you looked was BAM! she was boggled and blasted and it turned her head around......
all styles all the time in this new world we live in

Thanks for the link to hamburger eyes, it's really interesting! Really like what I've seen so far - kind of backwards and forwards looking.

As for books. Pride of place on the shelf, Koudelka's Gypsies (the book of the exhibition I became a photographer for). On my current wish list, Avedon's Woman in the Mirror and the last Mary Ellen Mark (hint!). In between, 15 years mixed up all over the place... eclectic. First and latest are the best I can do!

I respect all your views on Hamurger eyes, but I looked at the work again and thougyht that it did not offer any more than any other photographer, and T.V producer working in that style today, not outsanding.
Snappy and spontaniouse in its approach, very studenty rebellion image making.
So that could be why it is so popular.
Or is it just me(no coments please friends)

i agree with your take : snappy and spontaneous
more like documentary work of random underground adventures and drunken, coked-out binges.....
it certainly isn't fashion photography
and it's raw and dirty
and the tit cock and crackhead content is over the top
certainly rebellion-style
probably a direct rebellion to the standard in the photography scene here even....... it is young and it is rowdy : it will be interesting to see where it goes in 5 years.....
it doesn't seem really so popular at large, it's just the folks who like the work really like it, and ones who dislinke it really dislike it and then there's everybody else who couldn't give a shit either way....
strange thing about the bandanna stylings though.

by the way we got waaaaay of topic with this one

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Hey, you brought it up! And why not take an aside? Been looking at the hamburger site again and I don't quite see what's so young and dirty about it. Some of the subject matter may be skateboardy youth culture, but the photographic references are fairly traditional. Flicking through, the contributors claim as inspirations the likes of Larry Clark, Alex Webb, Joel Sternfield, Garry Winogrand, Harry Callahan... I'd like to see where Hamburger Eyes are in 5 years too. It's what I meant by looking backwards and forwards.

It's documentary, American-style. If this has become something raw and rebellious again, I could certainly get excited about it!

I undwerstand what you re saying Flux it will be interesting to see where they go maby they have yet to define there style.
I think what Larry Clark has done in the past is hard hitting challenging and asked Questions that people would not confront which also created possitive publicity.Like the film Kids Where young peop;e where shooting up and then giving each other HIV and other deseases, it was ahead of what was going on in Britain and at the same time majking people aware, it got banned from some towns which also gave it added publicity.
So there have been some great photographers who challenged issues constructivly, but I am not sure where the gang from Hasmburger eye are going yet, maby experimenting.. I think that it is iportant that all lifestyles should be recvorded in difrent ways but possibly not promoted as being the lifestyle to be going in as with Terry Richardson.
To me Vomit imagery, not meant in tyhe bad way and negative lifestyle raw imagery is a turn of I like life to be sweet poetic and lived to the full with exitement and being at one with the world, I am an andrenalin junky, not a drugs and alcohol junky which seems to be bringing soceity down very rapidly, I am un usual I know but I do live on the edge also in a lot of ways it makes life exiting.
I will check the site out again to see if I have missed anything. ASll the best

there's some tasty bits in all of this
and as there's nothing to say particular as it's all styles represented here and a few missing....
can we get one of these a week at least please?
xxx from miss velvet cream

"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle" - Albert Einstein

NB The majority of us juggle like fuck though!