sebastion, why start a whole thread with an inert statement like this one? What could anyone have to add to this?

Do you see what I mean? It's just completely nonsensical.

Well what can I say to that Detley.? Sorry

Sigh...Must I really have to play this bloody flute again? Listen carefully to my twinkling tune.

Do not appologize to these fools sebastian.

Why oh why in a place of 'creativity' must you persecute people for their individuality? Why must people live in fear that they aren't conforming to your little bubble world? If you havn't yet realized it only speaks measures about you and who you see looking back at you in the mirror.

If you don't like sebastions threads, don't open them. Isn't that easy enough? I think you'll find there actually alot of people who enjoy his threads.

Sebastion, you are an individual. Live in what ever way you choose.

Thanks, I finmd that some people have nothing better to do to do than to have a go at others,unfortunatly it is the way the world is going.I was being sarcastic by the way when I said sorry to Detley, I have come across this sort of attiotude before. What topics have been opened up by him of any relavence, as a so called jurnalist I thought that he would be full of bright and constructive ideas.
There are very good grounds that make me have the views I have, they come from experience, which I am not prpared to go in to deaply in here.
But at the same time ( this is getting exhausting) these issues do effect us all.
Ask king Kong, he was an individual who cared and was blown of the Empire State bulding when no one was prepared to understand him.( what a relavence so it can be talked about after all Mr Detley.
Thanks pied- piper.

The price of fish CAN be talked about, so...?

oh i'm not a journalist by the way

As a gay guy think of this Detley.
As a boy I realised that I was gay, I was brought up in a homophobic country town with a brther and single parent who had to work very hard to bring us up, as I thought, as I thought that mim was homophobic also I felt like a total freek. and isolated, I could not even tell my brother, I started to fall in love with boys my own age but could not take it beyond that. I heard that my best friends brother had joined the RAF, so AS i weas in a trap in the town I was brought up in both emotionaly and work wise , and the fact that at the most iportant period in mym life I had issues that I could not handle and made me feel inferier to those around me, I decided to try and join the RAF. I thought that this would get the thoughts out of my system, or maby meet other like minded people.
It does nothing of the sort, I fell in love all the time but could not go beyond that, in case I miss read the signals, it is possible to gett a lot closer to a person if it does not move in to sex, I had to cope with this for 12 years. Whilst working for natio I got far to close to someone I worked with which sent me close to the edge, in order to cope with the situation I would get away from the camp at the week end and go climbing, the system does not understand things like this, the powers that be begain to realise that there was a sort of relationship going on between me and the other guy.
It got to the stage where we where playing games of psycholagy, it also got to the stage where I had to take verball abuse from an officr, becouse he was in a position that I could not challenge.
Also during this time it was instilled in me how littal value human life was across the world in expendability value, to gain a goal.
So basiclty Detley, I was in the RAF being dictated to by the the system for 12 years, had no sex during the prime of my life what so ever becouse being gay would have had me thrown out of the RAF.
At the same time this gave me a tremendouse amount of underlying strength, to cope with situations.
When I left the RAF i got in to my first relationship, I rased in tyo it blinded by what I have missed all my life, this turned out to be very destructive, and I a,m still paying for it.
I went in o higher education to take up where I left of as a boy,I took A level photography.
This was a gain from the relationship I had been in.
A few years I got caught doing the Gerge Mucheal,there where three of us there, one being a teacher.
When the police pulled us up the teacher disapeard, the court solicitor, told us to plead gulty, so we did . It turned out that the Solicitor had been plee bargening with the police.
I could go a lot fu5ther but it would take to long, but I ended up with being hounded and harrased for a few years beyond that, also havong to cope with the sudden death of my mother. There you go I have left my self totaly open to attack by you now have a field day.
At the same time I have been determind to always try and respect people around me,not take advanage of people for my own ends, and help people as much as I can within my capabilitys.
Thats where the stength is, turning negatives in to constructive elements, to help others. Life is to short for peple to have prejudist attitudes towards others, I am not a chrtistioan I belive that science hold the answer to situations, I wouls suspect anyone who goes across the world causing destruction in the name of God.
Happy Now Detley and Ben,

oh sebastion, i had not realised that all of these thoughts and beliefs had been based solely on your own personal experience. Clearly, it does not make me happy to hear what you had to go through and I appreciate how such things will have informed your opinions tremendously as I imagine it would influence anyone's.

I think it must be extremely difficult for gay youngsters who do not have any gay friends because ultimately they do not have anyone to help them navigate themselves through life - living with a family that made you feel like a freak must have been hellish and because you were so young you had to make all your own decisions without any real guidance that was relevant to who you are as a person.

The thing is, I think that because you were in the RAF you have probably experienced one of the most homophobic environments ever and I have never had to endure anything like this so in terms of our own personal experience, we really have very little in common. I only hope that you can live your life away from all of this now - maybe the memories are too strong to detach yourself from them? You still feel that you're living underneath this oppressive system because it was ingrained in you at such an early age - that is indeed a sad thing but I urge you to embrace your new life and believe that you of course can find love without all this bullshit. It doesn't need to play a role any longer and you don't have to live in fear.