Thanks Shaw, I agree with you,as a photographer I work totaly in traditional formats using medium and small format negative film, that is where the real art is, or is it, room for debate. I start of using negative film, either B.W or Colour and then take it further including the computer as well as other techniques. When I refer to good photographers I think of Avenden, Bill Brant, Herbert List, Jan Saudek,Baily, Sally Mann, Imogene Cuningham, Bruce Weber, Will Mcbride,and many more, but there again visual interpritation is difrent things to difrent people, so am I realy that wrong..or is Ruyfylice, totaly right, I was saying that her statements where very strong in saying that one person is possibly one of the best in the world, but there again he probably is in her eyes. Thanks Shaw and all the best in Paris