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In reply to Karl Fuler:

Perhaps they aren't after all serving FASHION... but their own very personal agenda ... a show that I saw recently was meant to have a 'political' message ... pseudo-intellectualism with a pinch of overrated, self-inflated image on the capacity to intellectualise their so called 'concept '... everybody applauded to my consternation ... that is when I realised that just like as it is happening in politics where emotions seem to be used as if we were talking about ' art ' ... some creators of FASHION are using emotions in stead of facts in order to gain their 'star' in the matters of social awareness when considering the damage FASHION does cause environmentally speaking ! ... but then again we are in the age of ' grand-illusions'

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From Galileo's Universe, 10:36 Sat 07 Jun 2008 | Profile +++++ | 1250 posts

KaWai
United States

In reply to Karl Fuler:

I disagree. I think designers such as Coco Chanel and YSL, they did change fashion in profound ways, and that in itself was very political, even though the designers were not trying to be political, but simply trying to do what they felt instinctively made sense, Chanel understood what modern women needed, since she was one herself, she created fashion that moved with ease, and really functional. I think YSL in his best years understood the street styles and wanted to bring that into high fashion, to loose the stuffiness. One has to remember during his heyday the modern media, global advertising, were all coming together as well, the modern way of life was forming for an entire generation. YSL never created silly looking fashion, they really worked for women in their daily lives. When we see CNN's Christian Amanpour reporting news in her safari jacket, then we might be able to link YSL's contribution to working women's lives.

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From KaWai, 08:57 Sat 07 Jun 2008 | Profile +++++ | 996 posts

KaWai
United States

I thought YSL was really lucky to have a loyal business partner in his lifetime, he wouldn't have been able to delegate the creativity and the business end. I don't think that was selfish to want to build a successful business, YSL and his business partner did what they had to to keep the business alive.

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From KaWai, 16:47 Fri 06 Jun 2008 | Profile +++++ | 996 posts

Karl Fuler
United Kingdom

Any fashion designer - or photographer, to be successful must apply what they do to the current fashion climate, otherwise they will fail. YSL, like any great designer, had a sharp understanding of the fashion climate and could see how it was developing and produced designs accordingly (btw KaWai - women wore some fantastic trousers in the 1930s & 40s).
The contemporary art world works in the same way. Damien Hirst & the Chapman brothers, for example, play on the current vogues of glamour which excite the influential & the buyers.
In order to create great art we need to step away from the fashions as an influence on our work. Otherwise we are led and constrained by the worthless, mass collective conciousness that fashion is. What is the point of being a virtuoso pianist who plays on Sugarbabes number 1s - Your performance might be great but the end product is just crowd pleasing rubbish.

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From Karl Fuler, 14:07 Mon 09 Jun 2008 | Profile +++++ | 163 posts

KaWai
United States

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Women were wearing some trousers in the 30's and 40's, but the social climate in the work force was not the same as in the late 60's and 70's, when the whole culture of youth was coming to age to join the work force, when there were so much social unrest in the 60's and early 70's. YSL tapped into this vibe, on what's on the streets, on the spending power of youth, and on the social changes in women's roles. It's not just about putting women in pants, it's all about everything coming together at the right moment.

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From KaWai, 09:23 Sat 14 Jun 2008 | Profile +++++ | 996 posts

Karl Fuler
United Kingdom

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Yes, I agree. YSL had a great understanding of the fashion climate of the time - fashion is part of our culture and is influenced by all other aspects of that culture. This understanding doesn't have to be a wholly conscious thing but can be 'instinctive' too.

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From Karl Fuler, 12:46 Mon 16 Jun 2008 | Profile +++++ | 163 posts

Galileo's Universe
Greenland

.... 'interesting' what the icon and legend Bob Dylan had to say very recently about the music industry and about what produces today, and comparing it with the art world ... somehow two different galaxies as far as 'convictions' and 'ideals' are concerned, as I see it , but not that very different either ... he does seem to believe that the art world is more 'dignified and honest ' ( if I remember quoting him right !) .... it makes one wonder how he came to such a disparate conclusion ....

I think that in order to create great art .... great conviction and 'untainted' purpose must be a pre ! ... but then again whoever is out there with such great qualities and ability to produce great art will not have the spotlight unless .... he can truly shine..... and shine literally just like gold ! :):) ......

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From Galileo's Universe, 16:16 Mon 09 Jun 2008 | Profile +++++ | 1250 posts

Karl Fuler
United Kingdom

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i don't think the art world is intentionally dishonest - most of it comes from the confusion of glamour, fashion and romantic vision, and the notions of art appreciation and historical context.

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From Karl Fuler, 09:43 Tue 10 Jun 2008 | Profile +++++ | 163 posts

Galileo's Universe
Greenland

...perhaps the word 'dishonest' is indeed not the right one ...... the word 'opportunistic' on the other hand does seem to make more sense .....

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From Galileo's Universe, 10:17 Tue 10 Jun 2008 | Profile +++++ | 1250 posts

Karl Fuler
United Kingdom

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Perhaps. People will believe what fits in with their plans to attain the respect that they crave.

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From Karl Fuler, 10:29 Tue 10 Jun 2008 | Profile +++++ | 163 posts

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R.I.P Yves Saint Laurent (1936-2008)

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