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'Untitled' by Nick Knight

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KaWai
KaWai
United States

I love seeing Vogue Nippon, Vogue India, Vogue China, and I look forward to see Vogue South Africa, or equivalent to the high style of Vogue magazines in the African nations in bookstores in the western countries, celebrating beauties of the women in their regions.

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It's a sledge-hammer of a film, Mr. Knight, but if it's what you felt you had to do so be it. I mean, Naomi Campbell blazing away with a pair of Uzis... memorable, I suppose.

Having scanned the rest of the comments here, I'd like to make one brief comment on race and fashion. Fashion is a reflection of society; unfortunately, race and discrimination are two problems far too complicated to be sorted out with a bit of affirmative action. If you really want to improve matters, you should be looking at the underlying social and economic causes, and not lobbying for more diversity on the runway. Think about Marx, base and superstructure.

And, to those nostalgic for the days of Yves Saint Laurent: yes, he used black models, but he used them because at the time they were exotic. That's not really any better, is it?

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KaWai
KaWai
United States

fashion is a reflection of certain values in society, I suppose. And those values are sometimes disgusting.

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Galileo's Universe
Galileo's Universe
Greenland
In reply to KaWai:

BRAZILIAN VOGUE

Your 'DISGUST' is very understandable .... to a point ! ... but why should we just single out "FASHION" when there are indeed far more urgent, earnest, utterly critical causes ... like the oppression of minorities in ' CERTAIN' countries that tolerate NO CRITICISM of any kind by using their ECONOMIC MUSLE in order to silence even vociferous politician like NICOLAS SARKOZY ? ... of course we know that ECONOMICS and FINANCIAL INTERESTS are a great stumbling block if not the MAYOR STUMBLING BLOCK in the matters of fighting INJUSTICE wherever in the world ....... and FASHION is definitely not INMUNE as we come to realise it ... but less not be blinded and be picky about the cause we chose to fight and lets be less SENSITIVE about the issues if just because it may hurt certain personal loyalties or sensibilities ! ...

DOUBLE STANDARDS is something I will never be able to understand in humans when being vociferous about what we may consider to be UNJUST and yet be silent when it works against our own interests, besides whether it is pointless or not .

Yes BAMIA is very intelligent indeed as her chain of thinking shows but in the name of Democracy and Freedom of Speech in general .... we should be able to discuss anything in the matters of what afflicts people even regarding what appears to be ever so ' insular ' such as the world of FASHION , and even if we happen to be millions of miles away from the subject metaphorically or not ... but then that is up to each individual ... nothing should be IMPOSED because it doesn't create any GOODWILL if just it turns people away and become less adamant to change ... .it should be based in creating GOODWILL .. that works MIRACLES ... albeit it doesn't always work when in comes to world POLITICS .... it is just the nature of the beast ... I suppose !

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KaWai
KaWai
United States
In reply to Galileo's Universe:

I was referring to Western countries, not China, not Japan, since in the US and London, Paris, there are so many mixtures of races who live and work together, much more so than in China and Japan, yet in magazines such as Vogue UK, Vogue US, Vogue France, those demographics are rarely represented. But if mainstream magazines such as Vogue and Elle wouldn't do so, I guess it's up to independent publishers to break new grounds and offer different points of views.

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la
la
United Kingdom

170 comments on this topic so far.Something has touched a raw nerve.

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KaWai
KaWai
United States

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8R81-TsiI&feature=related

Individuals such as Tyra Banks no longer wait for the fashion establishment to do something to change the perception, they are taking the issue into their own hands and producing shows and fashion websites to showcase more variety and points of view on beauty.

Italian Vogue special Black issue is over, now what?

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KaWai
KaWai
United States

http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums/f96/chinese-models-65214.html
http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums/f96/favourite-top-african-black-models-63402.html
http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums/f78/vogue-italia-july-2008-liya-sessilee-jourdan-naomi-steven-meisel-69193.html

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Galileo's Universe
Galileo's Universe
Greenland

KaWai, you have made your POINT very clear and we have had the opportunity to read and reflect on your personal comments ... and mind you, you have taken us on a grand tour around the world in the matters of the HIGH FASHION GLOSSY MAGAZINES and their state of affairs ... AND as a contributor in the forum phrased it yes 'WE GET IT ! ... and now I'm wondering whether the whole issue is becoming more of a 'PERSONAL CRUSADE' than just a dialogue and exchange of opinions and that somehow is intriguing to me personally because I'm sure there are plenty of people you are arguing for ( whom I assume) have followed the thread who can also speak for themselves ... so I'm thinking loud now ... what is the point of trying to turn the thread into a ... 'J'ACCUSE ' ? ??? when in fact none of us have the power or the influence to change things just the way you personally want to !

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la
la
United Kingdom

i found this ;
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=5575436&page=1.
some of the comments show how the race topic seems to be much more polarised in the states.

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