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'Untitled' by Nick Knight

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Galileo's Universe
Galileo's Universe
Greenland
In reply to Galileo's Universe:

I must say that this is the first time that I ever saw Naomi looking exquisitely beautiful , absolutely wonderfully composed and dignified ... real great !! .... and although I may not be sympathetic towards her behaviour ... one cannot stop saying that she's is just wonderfully irresistible ! .... what huge asset !

see the film :

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dU4Uf_doC7g&feature=related

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KaWai
KaWai
United States

This cover was done in bad taste. If I was Kate, I would have told them to give the cover to a black model.

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Sandrine
Sandrine
United Kingdom
In reply to KaWai:

What exactly do you mean by bad taste? And do you think a black model on that cover would have made the same comment?

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KaWai
KaWai
United States
In reply to Sandrine:

That photo is how Hollywood used to do, in the 20's, paint white faces black, instead of giving the part to a black actor, or give ridiculous make up to a white actress to make her look Chinese, instead of using an Asian actress to play the part.

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Galileo's Universe
Galileo's Universe
Greenland
In reply to KaWai:

I would call it a TRAVESTY what was done in the 20's against their better judgement but Bad Taste ? ... but in the case of the cover you posted Sandrine has a good point !... and as far as I concerned the effect is indeed a world apart ...

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KaWai
KaWai
United States
In reply to Galileo's Universe:

That's my point, there was a history of travesty behind painting a white face black, I thought it was strange when I saw the cover the first time, the creative idea lacked sensitivity. Unless they had certain specific reasons to use Kate Moss painted black instead of using a black model, I couldn't see why they couldn't just use a black model.

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KaWai
KaWai
United States

AT THE HEIGHT OF FASHION, BLACK MODELS

Published: June 13, 1987

Louise Vyent smiled from the cover of the February issue of Vogue. Two months earlier, Karen Alexander, another black model, appeared in profile on the cover of Elle magazine.

''Black models are starting to be used again,'' said Katie Ford, a vice president of Ford Models Inc. in Manhattan. Impelled by a group of newcomers, a renaissance is occurring for black models in the major women's fashion publications.

The first widespread use of black models occurred in the 1960's, in the wake of the civil rights movement. Black models were seen on the runways at fashion showings, too.

But then their popularity waned. ''In the early 70's black models were used a lot,'' Ms. Ford said. ''Then we went to a really low point.'' At that low point, only a handful of black models appeared regularly in magazines, among them Beverly Johnson and the Somalian model Iman.

Just why black models fell out of favor during the 70's is not entirely clear, though some said the 70's were a bad time for all models with dark hair or dark skin. Look of the 70's

''In the 70's, it was a problem to go beyond the blond-haired blue-eyed girl,'' said Frances Grill, vice president of Click Model Management. ''The beauty of the 70's was, by and large, very fair-complexioned, until Brooke Shields and Isabella Rossellini came along.''

Today, newcomers like Kirsti Bowser, Gail O'Neill, Veronica Webb, Ms. Vyent and Ms. Alexander are appearing in Glamour, Elle, Mademoiselle and Vogue magazines and in many high-fashion advertisements.

Ms. Alexander, who is 21 years old and has been modeling for five years, said she thinks things are better now, though far from wonderful.

''I've not gotten Lancome offers every day - maybe they think we don't use makeup,'' she said.

Iman and Beverly Johnson ''had it worse,'' she acknowledged.

''They made it much easier for me,'' she said. ''They made people wake up and see that there are black models out there and that they are beautiful.''

Lacey Ford, another vice president of the Ford agency, said ''the world has finally opened up to a broader definition of what's beautiful.''

Dee Simmons-Edelstein of Grace Del Marco Modeling, which specializes in black models, said, ''We're at a stage when we can no longer deny that there is a black consumer.''

And the desire to attract black consumers means that ''most advertisers budget a certain amount of their dollars to the black market and the Latin market,'' said Bill Weinberg of Wilhelmina Models Inc. And that means more work for models from ethnic minorities.

While they are happy that black models are used more often, some in the modeling industry are critical of the form the renewal has taken.

''Today's black models are 'safe,' '' said Bethann Hardison, president of Bethann Model Management. ''They have white features. They're acceptable to the white eye.''

Ms. Grill, too, said that the most successful black models ''have physical attributes more in line with a white model.''

But believing that there are features that belong strictly to either whites or blacks is unfair, too, said Ms. Alexander.

''Black comes in all shapes, sizes and colors,'' she said. ''Everyone said it was so great to see a black model on the cover of Glamour when I did a cover for them about a year ago. I think there's discrimination among the black models who think that there are such things as typical black features, and that everything else is not really black.''

Nikki Garth-Taylor, beauty editor of Essence magazine, said that with the exception of a few at the top, most black models earn the bulk of their income from work for billboards and magazine advertisements. That branch of the business is not considered as prestigious as modeling for editorial fashion layouts, although it is far more lucrative. A Narrow Range

Critics also said that the type of commercial modeling available to black models is limited. It is unlikely, Ms. Grill said, that a black model would be used in an ad for luxury cars, because ''black people are not thought of as affluent enough'' to afford such cars.

Ms. Garth-Taylor said the range of products black models are enlisted to endorse is narrow - limited, she said, to ''liquor, hair products and cigarettes.'' And blacks are used interchangeably with whites, Ms. Grill said, only if ''they're stars.''

At Mademoiselle, the models editor, Manuela Anzullag, estimated that the magazine has ''about five black models that we use - one or two in each issue.''

The determinant for the continued wide use of black models is how well the publications they appear in sell.

''It's all in the newsstands,'' said Monique Pillard, owner of Elite, a model agency. ''If there's a black on the cover and the circulation goes up, you better believe they're going to keep using more black girls.''

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Karl Fuler
Karl Fuler
United Kingdom

Didn't anyone read bamia's excellent comments on this subject:

"What's all the fuss about? Why is it an issue that there are less black models than white ones? And what do white models give to the rest of the white female population that makes this such a grave injustice? Are black people really missing out? Or is this just an issue amongst white magazine readers? Or unimaginative fashion photographers who feel they need to pull 'issues' out their ass in the name of shameless self-promotion?

Since when did modeling become the most important gauge of racial representation? Modeling doesn't represent women so why is everyone surprised that it doesn't represent race too?

Models, to most people are of very little cultural significance. Most people don't even know who Gemma Ward is and she's considered a supermodel these days. There are plenty of black women in the public eye in arenas that are far more influential to people's lives than the fashion industry.

Why are people who work in fashion so ideologically limited that they can't see anything else in the world without the frame of fashion surrounding it?

Black women are totally over-represented in music. Should we start running a crusade for the lack of white female soul singers? Jews are over-represented in comedy? Should we start running a crusade in the name of getting more protestant baptists up on stage? Czech girls are over-represented in the sex industry. Does anyone see where this is going? Funny that, they're also over-represented in modeling. I wonder if there's a connection there...

I can't help but feel disappointed by the utter pointlessness of this debate. Fashion tirelessly promotes itself as exclusive and unattainable so why are people dumb enough to be shocked by its absence of social conscience? Fashion has never been about representing the demos. Fashion as an industry is inherently fascist as this is the only mode through which it can function commercially. What do black people have to gain by becoming objectified; a fate that they spent years struggling against anyway? Who knows, maybe it's a blessing for black girls that they have stronger role models to look up to, individuals who are celebrated for their talents, not women like Naomi Campbell."

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In reply to Karl Fuler:

Karl, you are surely the cleverest person, most independent thinker, in this Forum. But who ARE you?

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Karl Fuler
Karl Fuler
United Kingdom
In reply to Kirsty Alsopp Fanclub:

thanks, but I think bamia is even cleverer than i am. I am just Karl Fuler

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