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'Untitled' by Craig McDean

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Galileo's Universe
Galileo's Universe
Greenland
In reply to bamia:

QUOTE: ' When fashion has been appropriated by political thinkers in the past it becomes instrumental in the creation of a fascistoid model ' ...

.... and ironically political correctness in fashion does seem to be going exactly that way !

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jondones
jondones
United States

McDean gives us a view into fashion world’s psyche, a low blow interrogated version of it, but there is some realness to what our subjects are saying and not saying. If someone stopped me point blank, I don’t know how I would fare in that confrontation. It’s tough to say but do we need to be fair to these people? Probably, but I personally admire McDean’s gull.

But how do we define Fashion? How do we define Politics?
If we are talking about parliament, presidents and policy most of the ways are not very fashionable. I think the ways we learn about governmental politics could be more savory, but over saturating political motivations with aesthetics could be a dangerous path to take. I wouldnt especialliay in regards to the end of "Bamia's" suggestion of it becoming an instrument of fascism, Hitler's platform was a purely aesthetic one based on classicist ideals.

However if we realize the definition of politics, (separate from governmental politics) as the ways that we, individually or collectively, mitigate conflict and power in our daily life, than there are many ways in which fashion influences our political dispositions; race, class, gender, sexuality, identity and so fourth.

Fashion in this sense is a tremendously powerful communicator of political messages. Messages we absorb most ubiquitously from imagery, moving and still but also in design.
You can insert the vast post-modernist rhetoric on visual culture here: Barthes, Foucault, McLuhan, Baudrillard, Lyotard etc. It’s important, but I will spare it.

Is it fair to assume most of us are equipped with this knowledge or at least the visual literacy that it professes? I would instead like to go back to Baudelaire’s essay “The Painter of Modern Life,” one of Modernity’s formative texts.

"The aim for [the artist] is to extract from fashion the poetry that resides in its historical envelope, to distill the eternal from the transitory. .... Modernity is the transient, the fleeting, the contingent; it is one half of art, the other being the eternal and the immovable.”

Baudelaire defines for us a duality in modern life. To embrace and balance our lives between the temporary external and that which carries gravity and spirit. What I would like to convey with this passage is the ethos of style and consciousness… a way of life for the ‘spiritual citizen of the world’ and a disdain for “the many thoughtless people … who are grave without having gravity.”(Baudelaire)

Historian and activist Howard Zinn states in ‘Artist’s In a Time of War’ that the role of the artist in society is to be transcendent.

Before anything we decide that we are, professionally or individually, we are citizens and humans. The political device is one area of modern life in which we all share a duty.

If the goal of the avant-garde is to close the gap in consciousness between art and daily life, to live life freely and transcend autonomy, monotony, hegemony etc, than we shall consider ourselves citizens first then artists and then whatever else we choose.

Fashion is one of the many delicious coatings of the eternal.
Fashion and politics are both transitory, as are morals.
Spirit is eternal. Spirit is of the individual.

On a final note…
If I can yield one prime example of a creative entity in which the dialogue between politics and fashion is immanent it would be Rei Kawakubo. Her work through design, textile and architecture, allows us to consistently consider and redefine imperfection, ugliness, gender, identity and many other things. Her work is the crossroads of many things, politics and fashion being one of them.

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jondones
jondones
United States
In reply to jondones:

Jon Dones
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"Fashion is one of the many delicious coatings of the eternal." What a ridiculous, pompous and muddled post.

It seems to me obvious that fashion is political - in the way that all things that play a role within human interaction are political. Obviously, day to day choices about what to wear support our desire to belong to social groups, individual notions of display, concealment and personal ambition - in other words purely selfish human impulses. Theres nothing wrong with this of course - it is one element of the oil that has kept the wheels of social interaction turning for centuries. However, it is possible to see this for what it is and minimize it's importance in your life.

The more pertinent question is what general political position does the fashion industry take. The answer to this is simple - the fashion industry supports the status quo. It's primary goal is to make money and to achieve this aim it bolsters the western capitalist model. Bamia you are missing this point when you say that fashion doesn't have a point to make. No ideology is an ideology. Not taking sides allows you to take the position that best suits your personal interest. More damingly it trivializes life thereby distracting attention from events/issues/politics that truly matter. It is decidedly right wing and reactionary...

Any discussion of fashion and politics that doesn't address the fashion 'industry' is foolish. Take a look at this website for example - the latest 'project' is a clumsy campaign for a women's lingerie company. This isn't art - its advertising with the primary goal to flog product. Nick Knight has gone out of his way to distract attention from this cold hard fact by employing smoke and mirrors and cloaking his work/this site in a fog of 'creative culture'

Finally, I might forgive this if the end result (the art produced) had any real value. But unfortunately it is generally clueless, obsessed with the surface of things and full of posturing. BAD art in other words. The series of films in this 'art + politics project' are a case in point - almost without exception they are shallow and clumsy with nothing interesting to say.

If your talent is to be a stylist - to experiment with form and function then be honest enough to embrace this. Attempting to dress your work up (ahem) any other way is just wrong headed and disingenuous.

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Galileo's Universe
Galileo's Universe
Greenland
In reply to Jarvis:

' Jarvis ' ... let him be ' ridiculous, pompous ' etc .. at least we the viewers know exactly who is behind such a ' pompous ' thinking and that is ironically rather commendable. Forgive me but I cannot understand why a person with such a highly intelligent thinking, very articulate, with very valid points of view and who does seem rather knowledgeable in the matter and of who I dare to speculate is a kind of authority in the subject, didn't take such an opportunity to make your strong points of view known by taking part in the Political Fashion project, a theme that does seem to interest you I assume .... and then perhaps help to raise up the quality of the contributions as a consequence. It is not very brave to just hit and run ! ... so in the end the merit of the comments do seem to be overshadowed by lack of personality and preferring to stay in the hidden totally anonymous and therefore deny yourself the copyright that
belongs to you and you rightly deserve !

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In reply to Galileo's Universe:

Galileo. My intention wasn't to 'hit and run' but rather to join the discussion. This is my first post because I generally try to concentrate my energy on production rather than criticism. My reasons for not taking part in the project itself can surely be gleaned from my comments.

I also don't feel it's necessary to disclose who I am and what I do - in the same way that I don't feel its necessary to know who someone is in order to engage in a logical argument with them.

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Galileo's Universe
Galileo's Universe
Greenland
In reply to Jarvis:

Thank you for the response and indeed you don't need to disclose your identity ... but I'm not so sure if it is done to attack others in a rather unsavoury manner whose identities are known to you ... but then you yourself can enjoy the privilege of remaining anonymous in stead , that was my point ... but then again nobody is totally perfect ... and I can respect that from you ! And joining in the discussion to contribute with interesting constructive criticism is indeed a great plus in such relevant topic, this is my very personal point of view of course as a Show studio viewer who feels that however imperfect Showstudio and their projects may be, it does have a very positive and constructive attitude as far as letting everyone join in to discuss about their projects ..... and if you do have any ideas how to improve things we the viewers would love to read them because constructive criticism is the best way to go forward and help improve our imperfect world .... however much Fashion seems to be immune to the ' bug ' so far ..:):)

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In reply to Jarvis:

jarvis,it might be a good idea to get some of your facts straight before you post on this forum. You would do yourself no harm by reading the discussion that has been going on during the course of this Political Fashion project especially the comments of Brooke Taylor pointing out very clearly the basic fact that this is fashion and politics and not as you have mistakenly written and seemingly based your whole critique on that it is "art+ politics".
Incidentally ,to my knowledge Nick Knight has never claimed his work to be "art" and has in nearly every interview I have read he has acknowledged that he is a commercial image maker and indeed on this site has said very clearly that the label of artist is not one he feels is relevant or of any interest to him.

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In reply to saint:

Saint.

Beyond mistakingly titling this project 'art + politics' rather than 'political fashion' (I was distracted while posting - such is life) I'm not really sure which 'facts' I failed to get straight.

My post was a response to THIS thread, not the entire ongoing discussion. My main point was that fashion is inherently political since it forms a part of human social interaction. However, for me the more important issue is the political position of the fashion industry - which on the whole supports a reactionary, right leaning libertarian world view. It seems to me that Mr Knight/Showstudio's position in this industry should be questioned, since the project itself was initiated and titled by Knick Knight/Showstudio.

Finally, perhaps you should read the 'about' section of this website. If you do you will find the following quote from Mr Knight;

“SHOWstudio is based on the belief that showing the entire creative process—from conception to completion—is beneficial for the artist, the audience and the art itself.”

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In reply to Jarvis:

The reason I suggest you look at past comments is that a lot of the ground you cover has already been discussed at length and so there is a frustration from regular forum contributors at repeatedly going over and over the same ground.
In regard to your comments about Nick Knight the quote you mention is outlining a manifesto for a website and not how the man sees is own work.
In general it appears that SHOWstudio offers a platform for just such discussions as this. I see no parallel for this anywhere else in the industry. What would you rather see just more and more and more Mario ?

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